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  2. CODE-1866

Newly-created familiars of higher-level Wizards getting extra skill pts (and Raven bonus lang. message)

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    • Type: Bug Bug
    • Status: Confirmed Confirmed
    • Priority: Minor Minor
    • Resolution: Unresolved
    • Affects Version/s: 6.01.01
    • Fix Version/s: None
    • Component/s: None
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      Description

      There appears to be a problem with newly-created familiars of higher-level Wizards stemming from the familiars' higher Int. This Int is giving them extra beginning skill points and, with Ravens, bonus languages as if they were a new character of another type with that initial Int. A familiar that was created at first level but has "worked its way up through the ranks" does not get these extra skill points and bonus languages. (Actually, there is the message about bonus languages and the selection box says there are so-and-so many selections remaining, but there are none listed to select.)

      I've attached a table modified from the SRD showing what the situation looks like at each step of the familiars' advancement. I was mostly using a Raven familiar in this testing, trying it a few times with a Bat and a Toad with the same result regarding skill points, but no message about bonus languages appeared.

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        Andrew Maitland
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        As part of the Bringing the Core Sets in line, the only solution is to implement separate races for Familiars which would use a Companion Class which don't grant skills.

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        Andrew Maitland
        added a comment - As part of the Bringing the Core Sets in line, the only solution is to implement separate races for Familiars which would use a Companion Class which don't grant skills.
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        Andrew Maitland
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        Questions -
        1) Is retroskill turned on?
        2) is Allow Bonus Languages after 1st level turned on?

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        Andrew Maitland
        added a comment - Questions - 1) Is retroskill turned on? 2) is Allow Bonus Languages after 1st level turned on?
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        Andrew Maitland
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        Hmm, this might be best as a Code Bug after all, coming up with a data solution would be difficult.

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        Andrew Maitland
        added a comment - Hmm, this might be best as a Code Bug after all, coming up with a data solution would be difficult.
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        Andrew Maitland
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        James - The issue appears to be order of Ops. With a Standard Leveling, the Familiar starts off with the INT of 6, and then is pretty much locked there as 35e doesn't retro-grant skills. The issue comes when the Master is higher level and then adds the familiar at say level 12 or higher. The Int is evaluated at the Master Level of 12 for granting Skills instead. This seems to be an easier fix as a Code Solution than trying to cover all bases with data solution.

        All Companions when first made should evaluate against the first level tier of the companions (1 for Familiars, Psicrystals, Animal Companions; 5 for Special Mount). This will insure base familiars are granted the proper abilities upon creation, and won't affect higher level familiars with greater than base intelligence.

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        Andrew Maitland
        added a comment - James - The issue appears to be order of Ops. With a Standard Leveling, the Familiar starts off with the INT of 6, and then is pretty much locked there as 35e doesn't retro-grant skills. The issue comes when the Master is higher level and then adds the familiar at say level 12 or higher. The Int is evaluated at the Master Level of 12 for granting Skills instead. This seems to be an easier fix as a Code Solution than trying to cover all bases with data solution. All Companions when first made should evaluate against the first level tier of the companions (1 for Familiars, Psicrystals, Animal Companions; 5 for Special Mount). This will insure base familiars are granted the proper abilities upon creation, and won't affect higher level familiars with greater than base intelligence.

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            Reporter:
            Matt Chambers
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