BONUS:COMBAT|AC|Shield|TYPE=Touch.REPLACE does not work

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Type: New Feature
Status: Open
Priority: Minor
Resolution: Unresolved
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SF - ID: 2007816
Last Update: Settings changed ( thpr )
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Message:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/message/16708

and Message:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/message/16710
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[TM] Re: How to add Shield bonus to Touch AC

Open a tracker so this doesn't get lost, please

— In PCGenListFileHelp@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland
<drew0500@...> wrote:
>
> Can we have a Code monkey investigate this please.
>
>
> ~ Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
> ~ Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
> ~ Data Chimp, Tracker Gibbon, Docs Tamarin
> "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
>
>
>
> allencohn wrote:
> > This doesn't seem to work. But
> >
> > BONUS:COMBAT|AC|5|TYPE=TOUCH.REPLACE
> >
> > Does work. And I've confirmed that 5 is the character's current
> > Shield bonus.
> >
> > Can you think of any way to replace 5 with some variable that
> > references the current Shield value?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Allen
> >
> > — In PCGenListFileHelp@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland
> > <drew0500@> wrote:
> >
> >> Hm,
> >>
> >> Try
> >>
> >> BONUS:COMBAT|AC|Shield|TYPE=Touch.REPLACE
> >>
> >> I'm looking at the miscinfo.lst file in the system where the AC
> >>
> > types
> >
> >> are defined.
> >>
> >> ~ Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)

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[TM] Re: How to add Shield bonus to Touch AC

Thanks, but that doesn't work when I try it, either.

I appreciate all the help...I don't yet understand how variables work
in PCGen.

Allen

— In PCGenListFileHelp@yahoogroups.com, Paul Grosse <paul.grosse@...>
wrote:
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> Why not use var("") ?
>
> BONUS:COMBAT|AC|var("Shield")|TYPE=TOUCH.REPLACE
>
>
> Paul Grosse
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David R. Bender ( papa_drb ) - 2008-07-01 11:02:10 EDT
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Date: 2009-02-09 14:43:26 EST
Sender: thprProject Admin & Donor
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Ah, thanks for the clarification

Date: 2009-02-08 21:30:48 EST
Sender: amaitlandProject Admin
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Tom, I think you're missing the point, or we need to open a FREQ.

The OP wants to use the Bonus based upon the Shield AC to add to the Touch
AC. The SHIELDACCHECK is a separate variable that is unrelated to the
Shield AC. That is the AC Check Penalty to Skills.

So
BONUS:COMBAT|AC|Whatever the Shield Bonus happens to be|TYPE=Touch

Is what he is desiring.

BONUS:COMBAT|AC|SHIELDACCHECK|TYPE=Touch will only result in the AC Check
Penalty (Always a negative number).

So, do we not currently have a method for tracking the Shield AC type for
Bonusing?

Say like:
BONUS:COMBAT|AC|ACTYPE=Shield|TYPE=Touch

Date: 2009-02-08 19:05:44 EST
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BONUS:COMBAT|AC|SHIELDACCHECK|TYPE=Touch.REPLACE is the proper syntax,
Shield is not a variable

Date: 2009-02-08 18:08:30 EST
Sender: amaitlandProject Admin
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I did try this and it worked:
BONUS:COMBAT|AC|SHIELDACCHECK|TYPE=Touch.REPLACE ACCHECK:-3
Touch AC became 7

Date: 2009-02-08 17:59:56 EST
Sender: amaitlandProject Admin
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No change.

Date: 2009-02-05 15:37:26 EST
Sender: thprProject Admin & Donor
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please test using the variable SHIELDACCHECK vs. just SHIELD

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John Mazzie added a comment - 30/May/12 11:53 PM

I just figured out that you could replace the number with var("ARMOR.SHIELD.EQUIPPED.0.ACBONUS"). This will give you the number of the currently equipped shield's AC bonus.

Thanks,
John

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John Mazzie added a comment - 30/May/12 11:53 PM I just figured out that you could replace the number with var("ARMOR.SHIELD.EQUIPPED.0.ACBONUS"). This will give you the number of the currently equipped shield's AC bonus. Thanks, John

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John Mazzie added a comment - 31/May/12 2:05 PM

I am having a similar issue with this command, except that when I have BONUS:COMBAT|AC|<number>|TYPE=TOUCH it is adding it in as misc and adding to all AC (Total, Touch, and Flat-footed) and not just increasing Touch AC. I attempted to use the DEFINE:ShieldAddsToTouchAC|<number> but this always adds the full shield bonus when I actually only want part of the bonus to apply.

I've tested both of these with 5.17.14 Alpha

Thanks,
John Mazzie

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John Mazzie added a comment - 31/May/12 2:05 PM I am having a similar issue with this command, except that when I have BONUS:COMBAT|AC|<number>|TYPE=TOUCH it is adding it in as misc and adding to all AC (Total, Touch, and Flat-footed) and not just increasing Touch AC. I attempted to use the DEFINE:ShieldAddsToTouchAC|<number> but this always adds the full shield bonus when I actually only want part of the bonus to apply. I've tested both of these with 5.17.14 Alpha Thanks, John Mazzie

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Andrew Maitland added a comment - 31/May/12 5:07 PM

Find the line in miscinfo.lst

See the ADD portion? There are two of them...

Add 'Touch' to the one with 'TOTAL', and that will solve the issue.

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Andrew Maitland added a comment - 31/May/12 5:07 PM Find the line in miscinfo.lst ACTYPE:Touch ADD:TOTAL REMOVE:Armor|ArmorEnhancement|NaturalArmor|Shield|ShieldEnhancement|NaturalArmorEnhancement ADD:Shield|ShieldEnhancement|PREVARGTEQ:ShieldAddsToTouchAC,1 See the ADD portion? There are two of them... Add 'Touch' to the one with 'TOTAL', and that will solve the issue.

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John Mazzie added a comment - 01/Jun/12 11:32 AM

With this change to ACTYPE:Touch the value I'm adding to touch is still added to the TOTAL variable. This still causes the Total, Touch and Flat-footed AC to increase, and a double dip on the Touch because I've added to it manually. I attempted to just add the line REMOVE:Touch to this line, but this caused my AC to show up as 0 on the character sheet.

I worked around this in my miscinfo.lst file just so that it shows correctly on my sheet for now., but the changes aren't intuitive. I've changed ACTYPE:Total from ADD:Total to ADD:<all AC variables included in armor total but with touch removed>. I then had to add REMOVE:Touch to ACTYPE:Flatfooted, ACTYPE:Touch, and ACTYPE:Misc.

My suggestion for a real fix would be to create a new ACTYPE called TouchEnhancement (similar to the ShieldEnhancement/ArmorEnhancement) but not include it in the TOTAL calculation. This would enable changing ACTYPE:Touch ADD:TOTAL to ADD:TOTAL|TouchEnhancement without affecting any of the other numbers.

Thanks,
John

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John Mazzie added a comment - 01/Jun/12 11:32 AM With this change to ACTYPE:Touch the value I'm adding to touch is still added to the TOTAL variable. This still causes the Total, Touch and Flat-footed AC to increase, and a double dip on the Touch because I've added to it manually. I attempted to just add the line REMOVE:Touch to this line, but this caused my AC to show up as 0 on the character sheet. I worked around this in my miscinfo.lst file just so that it shows correctly on my sheet for now., but the changes aren't intuitive. I've changed ACTYPE:Total from ADD:Total to ADD:<all AC variables included in armor total but with touch removed>. I then had to add REMOVE:Touch to ACTYPE:Flatfooted, ACTYPE:Touch, and ACTYPE:Misc. My suggestion for a real fix would be to create a new ACTYPE called TouchEnhancement (similar to the ShieldEnhancement/ArmorEnhancement) but not include it in the TOTAL calculation. This would enable changing ACTYPE:Touch ADD:TOTAL to ADD:TOTAL|TouchEnhancement without affecting any of the other numbers. Thanks, John

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21/Jul/11 4:09 AM

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23/Jan/13 2:21 AM